Juniper Rambles About Feminism and Womanhood (Part One)
I am a bad feminist, downright lousy in fact. I might even be viewed as a traitor to my own sex (if you’re militant enough to see it that way)
I’ll tell you why.
I like men more than women. I prefer the company of men over the company of people of my own sex. I trust men more than women.
Can you imagine that? I know, I know, how terrible is that?
There are many reasons, feelings and experiences that cause me to be a lousy feminist. Please allow me to explain in my own rambling way.
I suppose the main reason is that unlike most of other women I’ve met, I have been neglected, mistreated and abused much more by other women than by men. Even when I have been neglected, abused and mistreated by men, often there was a woman involved.
Punch for punch, insult for insult, hair pull for hair pull women take up a significantly higher amount of the pain brought upon me by others than men.
As a child and teen I was mercilessly bullied by the other girls at school. Both physically and verbally, as well as just emotionally jerked around. I’ll spare you the details, (why rehash all that?) but suffice to say that every day at school was a nightmare of humiliation and abuse at the hands of my peers. I was ugly, stupid, scattered brained, had thrift store clothes, poor parents, frizzy hair, pimples, spoke funny, big glasses, either too skinny or too fat, a bitch, a whore, a prude … you name it. I can count on one hand the number of girls who I could call friends during the whole of my school years. And many of them abandoned me in an attempt to gain more popularity.
The boys on the other hand couldn’t care less about such things. Even long before boys start to get interested in you in “that way” my friends were always boys. I spent much of my childhood climbing trees or sitting on the playground equipment, practicing my spitting and swearing techniques.
The boys didn’t call me names, they didn’t push me into the mud, they didn’t throw things at me, they didn’t pull my hair, they didn’t pretend to like me one day and hate me the next, they didn’t spread lies about me. They didn’t try to flip up my skirt either.
In fact, they treated me like an equal; I was just one of the boys. Even in high school, when I wished more of them would see me in a different light, I was juts one of guys. They encouraged me to climb higher, spit further, hit harder and run faster. They taught me how to hit a bully in the nose and make her cry and cheered when I did it.
With two brothers, many uncles, and more than one Dad (step-fathers) I grew up in boy-culture. I went to the tomboy academy of learning. I can confidently change the radiator hose in a pick up truck, but can’t tell the difference between pillow cases and pillow shams, even when they are placed under my nose by an annoyed and frustrated woman. I can take a hard fall off my mountain bike and keep on trucking but can’t interpret the message behind another woman’s hair flip and eye roll.
I flatly refused to wear a skirt or dress until I was 14 years old. I had no desire to identify myself with my abusers. I liked being a girl, I just FUCKING HATED other girls and I rejected the expectations put on me by other females to be “properly female”. The men and boys in my life rarely ever told me that I should do or not do something because I was female, they did however try to teach me the proper way to toss a football. They also forgave me for never perfecting the technique.
Now don’t think for a second that I have unrealistic romantic notions about the males of the species.
Amongst my earliest memories is the image of my 6 foot tall father hitting my petite mother so hard that he broke her glasses and sent them flying across the room to land at my 4.5 year old feet. He then stormed down to the basement. My Mom grabbed her purse, my bay brother and I and we snuck out of the house. We hid at a local car dealership waiting for my grandmother to come and get us, watching my Dad’s car drive up and down the hi-way looking for us.
I learned before I could write a complete sentence what a violent man can do to a woman.
I also remember how Mom went back to him, bringing us with her, for a few months more anyways.
Mom’s second husband (common-law anyway) used to smack me now and then, he also was bipolar (undiagnosed until he made a suicide attempt when I was twelve) and his behaviour was strange and erratic. He would stand over my bed at night and watch me as I pretended to sleep. He was a substitute teacher and would force me to stay up late, often all night, re-doing my homework again and again. I grew to hate the nightmare that was school even more as a result.
Mom had her own issues and while I understand many of the reasons why she stayed with this man, and why she often took her own hurts and fear out on me, I will not excuse them either.
The day he finally laid a hand on my brother (the favoured son who always got straight “A”s) she finally threw him out. But the verbal abuse and the hair pulling from her did not stop until I grew larger than she was.
The women in my family failed to protect me, they were even amongst my abusers. The other girls at school were my tormenters, while the female teachers looked the other way or were at a loss as what they should do about it.
In adulthood I have struggled to make and keep female friends. I often do not have the same interests, goals and lifestyle. I don’t socialize “properly”. I miss the crucial subtle social cues that are such an integral part of female communication. I am too blunt, straight forward and open. Women are complicated, they are emotional, they are demanding, they are judgmental and impossible to please. I rarely receive their approval, let alone their acceptance.
I like men more than women. I prefer the company of men over the company of people of my own sex. I trust men more than women.
I know where I stand with men. With other women I feel like I am walking into a potential trap.
Men are like big dogs, they raise their hackles, they give you a warning growl, and they might nip once before they bite (usually). Women are like little dogs, the attack comes from behind, unexpectedly (usually). A big dog might be able to bite harder but the pain of a little dogs’ bite is much sharper and the wariness you learn from it lasts longer.
I don’t turn my back to little dogs.
As such, I am a lousy feminist.
I know how to not tolerate mistreatment from men; I learned it from the men in my life. The ones who taught me to fight, to climb trees, to spit and swear, to fall down and get back up again, to walk for miles on a sprained ankle, to not cry at the sight of blood.
I watch other women struggle to stand up to a man and I struggle to wrap my head around it. Perhaps because I have yet to fully forgive my mother for staying with and going back to men who hurt us.
I don’t need feminism, the goddess, or other women to tell me I am equal to men. It was men who taught me that as a child.
It’s the women in my life who have never treated me like an equal, not the men.
I have gone to women’s rituals and been pulled aside, given heck for showing up in a motorcycle jacket and combat boots. How dare I show up with such masculine energy?
I have gone to women’s circles in a floral print dress and make up, and been told that in order to a respected, a woman much not be pretty, thin, attractive and wear bras or make up.
I have seen feminists who venerate the Mother Goddess turn around and attack another woman for choosing to be a housewife and stay-at-home-mother.
I have seen Dianic Wiccans call themselves warrior women, and then be grossed out when I rub dust into my hands so I can better grip the handle of a fighting stick.
I have seen women get into arguments over whether or not it’s properly feminist to wear a mini skirt.
I have seen women treat each other poorly over something as stupid as whether or not other women’s towels hanging on the rack in the bathroom match each other.
I have been looked at like there is something wrong with me for having a patron god, rather than a matron goddess.
Men describe my personality as strong; they call me things like “an unstoppable force” and say so with respect. Women call me arrogant, a bitch and intimidating for the same traits, they pick on me for it.
I am not a very good feminist because I can’t figure out what the hell other women want from me?
I’m starting to wonder if feminists know what it is they want and if they know how to achieve it?
I am a bad feminist, downright lousy in fact. I don’t mean to be, that’s just what they call me.
I’d love to have more female friends, to gain that acceptance and love.
I’d love to show other women, those who are more timid and such, how to strap steel on their spine and face the world with head held high.
I’d love to see women focus less on bringing each other down, focus less on how all men are horrible evil abusing pigs, and work on learning how to get along.
(Note this is the first part of a series, I promise to get more positive towards my fellow women as I go!)
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I really related a lot to this.
IMO being a feminist should mean being the woman you want to be and being free to do so.
unmatched towels and all!
Greetings Juniper:
It is painful how much I relate to this. As always, thank you for being so brutally honest. Knowing that there are other women out there like me (i.e., “feminist,” yet having a hard time relating to and trusting other women) helps me feel not quite so alone.
Again, thank you and I look forward to the other posts in this series.
actually you sound a lot like many women i know.. like my flatmate, and chosen family Wendy.. she shears sheep, and dag them, actually most things to do with farming and sheep she is a dab hand at it. she can dig post holes and hammper nails in. is slim and very attractive. and gets on well with Men.. *nods*
me well i can swing a hammer, fish, burp, fart and kick, and am not squeemish about things other girls are. i do not have matching towles don’t wear a bra, and it took me years to wear a dress and or skirt..
umm.. so i guess what i am saying is that we non ‘traditional’ feminist, women who do not understand that mainstream option of being a woman, we are out there, us strait talking, calls spade a spade, wild women.. just so you know..
am looking forward to the next installment.. *nods*
*twirls around in combat boots*
I grew up with 3 brothers, was always ‘one of the guys,’ and can also count on one hand the female friends I had in school, for the same reasons. I can’t tell you how great it is to hear that I’m not the only “lousy feminist” around. Sometimes the best words in the world are “You’re not the only one.” So thanks!
Oddly, I can relate to the abuse by my childhood peers. Politically, it’s deadly to get along with girls more than the other boys in the schoolyard. The other boys pushed me around, called me names, treated me viciously, but the girls (mostly) didn’t treat me like pariah.
Consequently, I never understood the whole “girls are weak and gross” argument that every boy just seemed to know. The girls were just as smart, fast, and likeable as anyone else. But being in their company didn’t make my life any easier.
Don’t even get me started on the complete loneliness I went through when I got to high school when both genders rejected me.
I can only theorize that it was the novelty of having a boy want to be in their midst that lessened the cruelty from the schoolyard girls.
Now as an adult, I can appreciate the benefits and flaws of socializing with both genders, although overly-macho boys and overly-vain girls still annoy the crap out of me.
Wow. At the end of high school, I was precisely in the position you describe here. Getting along with the boys was so much easier–they were straightforward and honest in their motivations.
But as fate would have it, it wasn’t until I decided to grit my teeth and attend a women’s college (for the sole reason that they had the best program available in my field), that I discovered a whole other range of feminine behavior that was not only sane, but inspiring. Things ranged from the power-suited pre-law women to the combat-booted gay activists to the cloak-wearing Victorian reenactors’ club–there were simply too many strong personalities for any one group to get a consensus on what feminism “should” be.
But the funny thing is, even after leaving this little oasis of feminine sanity, my friends and I still despair at the attitudes we see from women who did not get this experience. So in many ways, I’m in a place similar to what I experienced at the end of high school, but with the knowledge that there are still in fact a rational few who can uphold a vision of feminist equality that I can get behind. The trick is finding them.
I hope we are starting to tip the scales even just a little bit for you. Fingers crossed!
I don’t think you are a bad feminist. The abuse you’ve dealt with is terrible and I can understand where you are coming from in your opinions. I did not have that experience but I did have a shift in my consciousness when I started studying feminist theory in University.
I realized that our culture sets women up to be competitive, to be nasty to feel more powerful, to be prettier, smarter, sexier, to be perfect. I had had many good female and male friends, but somewhere deep down I had always felt I had to compete with other women. Once I deconstructed that feeling I was able to connect with women in a deeper and more profound way. There were still stumbling blocks here and there, and I still think that a person should be able to like whatever they want without being judged regarding the gender appropriateness of that preference. Not wearing or wearing a dress should not dictate anyone’s degree of girlyness….
I think women being authentic and who they are without apologies is what feminism needs to move beyond in-fighting. I don’t have tons of girlfriends but I make friends slowly and I don’t socialize the way many women tend to. But the few female friends I do have are keepers and I do cherish the sisterhood that I feel with them.
I look forward to your future installments and I’m glad that you are so open about your experience.
Juniper, I have just recently discovered your blog and your website. I’m highly enjoying both! I can’t say that I went through the same things as you have but I have ALWAYS enjoyed the company of men to women. They are so much less judgmental and much funnier! I think you are an ideal feminist, strong willed, healthy, true to yourself and not hung up on so many of the unimportant things in life (bath towels included) if only all “feminist” could discover who they really are and release themselves from the trappings of society.
Just saw this now! First, I love your podcast and blog, Juni, I’ve been lurking around for a month or so.
I agree, I am SO much more relaxed with men than with other women. I live with my in-laws and I just wish my MIL could leave for a little while every day so I can have a break from “you should this” and “you shouldn’t do that”. The men don’t care! They’d love to talk to you about books and movies, forget all that “oh let’s do laundry together!”
For me the word “feminist” means that I’d like not to be discriminated against (or stereotyped) just because I’m a woman – by men OR by other women. I’m glad your post brought this point up.
Em
Juni- your “ramblings are the very heart and soul of true feminism. I mean what the hell did we fight for if not the right to be exactly whatever and whoever we are – regardless. Without judgment. Like many of the other commentators on this post I, too, have the common thread. Raging child abuse at the hands of my mother. Tomboy, dirt loving, tree-climbing, baseball pitching, tool-wielding female of the species. I once did a valve-job (solo) on a Volkswagen camper in the middle of the Sonoran dessert where I was camping (also solo) for nine weeks. I was 24. I’m now 58 and still the same – dismembering already dead things on the beach and in the woods to see how a wing works or a jaw is attached. Biology trumps culture. Period. You go girl!!!
I’m in total agreement with the dislike of those Tiny Yapping Dogs. Whether real ones (grew up with neighbors who had a chihuahua that wouldn’t shut up. Ever.) or figurative ones, they are more annoying and trouble than they’re worth to spend any amount of time with.
Though I do prefer the company of women over my own gender (I hate sports, am not a motorhead, and couldn’t care less about how the pecking order currently stands), I haven’t had any friends of either gender for many years, and looking back am not so sure I had any then, either.
omg. what a tremendously personal post.
and i am interested in the face of feminism in our era, as a stay-at-home-mom who finds her blissful calling in all things “traditionally female”.
juniper, you have had your own experiences as we all have and this is what has shaped your outlook on the matter. but i would have to argue that there are female straight shooters out there if that is what you are looking for. it is easy to find the type of “complicated” female you describe, as there are no shortage of them. females ARE complicated. that is what makes them fascinating. and many of them have issues. there are mean women and there are mean men. you understand men better because they ARE easier to understand in most cases.(imo). the trick is to put aside your fears, hurts and pre-conceived notions and take the time to get to know the women you have met. it may be that if you stop fretting about double-meanings, or ulterior motives, you may find there exists less than you thought. you may discover that actually, with our complicated thoughts, and emotions and communication tendancies that we are all the same…humans. and we all want the same thing. so that what motivates the meanies are the wishes for love and acceptance too -however distorted methods they employ.
i guess what i’m trying to say, is …if you are looking for “trouble” you will find it. and if you are looking for honest to goodness AUTHENTIC folk, you WILL find them too.
i have a lot of childhood horror stories to tell also. and i’ve noticed that (thank goodness) i’ve begun to understand even the girls and boys who have neurotic, abusive or dysfunctional tendancies…..and best of all, i’ve been able to “grow some balls” and decide who i spend my time and energy with wisely. for it is MY TRIP, this life; and MY responsibility to attract to ME (somehow) the people who i love, respect, admire and trust.
i’ve got a mantra that i picked very early on in my life and that is: “to get true friends you have to BE a true friend”
yours truly
bj
Wow what a great post. I relate to this. I grow with 3 brothers, became a loner at school through being bullied by, on the main other girls, first too skinny, scruffy because I was poor – according to them, I have ginger hair – strawberry blonde, but according to them it was the colours of bright orange carrots and I was ugly. As an adult I have looked at photos of myself as a child, I can now say I was not in the least ugly, In fact I was pretty. Then when I finally filled out, grow breasts and the guys showed that type of interest, I was bullied because of that also. I now love being around man, feel more relaxed, despite being hurt by men too. The main thing is men don’t judge me. The only problem is I have yet to find a male friend that did not try to get into my knickers. It’s funny at first and oh my god I don’t take it as an insult!!!!! anyway I have waffled a bit sorry.
I also find farting extremely funny, quite a lot of men love me for that but I guess that’s more my childish side
First THANK YOU Juni for writing this! I think its great to see how many women understand too. Why are we so hard on each other? Its so stupid.
I also just want to tell this BJ person that Juni doesn’t need to learn how to be a good friend. She is one of the best people on Earth. She has driven for 14 hours straight through the rockies at winter to be there for me. She will give you the shirt off her back literally. She will give you the last money in her purse so you can take the bus home safe even if she wont have money for food. I dont know what your problem is but Juni doesnt need to learn to to be a better person people need to learn to me like her!
Thanks everyone!
And especially thanks to Melissa.
Awwww Dizzy my gal, its okay! bj is a great lady and I am sure she didn’t mean it the way you took it.
I can assure everyone that I am smart enough to know not to assume all women are going to be be horrible to me! hehehe
Cheers!
Juni, you struck a chord with me. I can relate to much of this post, and I won’t bore you with details. However, I CAN say that in the last year of my life I have been blessed with the friendship of several remarkable pagan women, who are not alike in the least, but who appear to be open, honest and loving towards each other – and me. It’s taken me 40 years to find such women, and I hope that the friendships I am developing with them stay, well, straight-forward.
In the ‘normal’ world – yup, can’t handle them damn wimmin!!!!