Us vs Ourselves
Us vs Ourselves
One of the things that always bothered me the most about the Pagan/Heathen/Witch/Occult community is how various groups view other groups. It is human nature to form groups, and to think your group is better than others; it is even human nature to feel the need to disparage other groups. I know this, yet it still irritates me to no end.
Perhaps it is because I am the sort who does not fit easily, or at all, into groups. I have always felt disturbed when one of my fellow humans makes a comment that begins “All BLANKS are…” Are we humans so weak minded, so easily threatened that we feel the need to disparage others in order to make ourselves feel better about who we are, what we do, and which group we belong to?
I spent much of my teen years demanding defiantly that people not try to fit me into their preconceived labels.
I walked away, angry, ashamed and frustrated from Wicca as a young adult. Tired of people looking down their nose at others, feeling they have the right to tell someone else who they are, what they do, which group they belong to. I once swore that the next person I heard tell another “you’re not a REAL Wiccan” would get a kick in the ass from one of my booted feet.
I wandered on my Path for a time, like a bit of flotsam on the ocean current, lost in a sea of ecclectism. I tried different things out, different Traditions, sampled from the smorgasbord that is modern Paganism and Witchcraft.
I learned a few things.
All Wiccans are NOT white-lighter fluffy bunnies.
All Druids are NOT following a made up religion based on the writing of the likes of Julius Caesar.
All Reconstructionalists are NOT foolishly clinging to the past in a modern era.
All Heathens are NOT knuckle dragging, militant brutes.
All Eclectics are NOT afraid of commitment and are silly girls playing make believe.
All Ceremonial Magicians are NOT creepy, heavy-metal-listening losers who use their path as a way to get laid.
All Traditionalists are NOT mean spirited snobs.
All Hedgewitches are NOT solitary wannabe-Wiccans playing with herbs.
All Shamans are NOT white boys playing at native spirituality.
Have I missed anyone? I am sure I have.
How stupid are we to judge another person’s religion or tradition or spiritual path without walking a mile in their shoes?
And we are little better than Catholics and Protestants shouting cuss words at each other from across the street!
When did we decide to follow in the footsteps of the major religions and begin to pass judgment on different sects and groups in ignorance and without understanding? For shame.
I attended a meeting of a heathen kinship a couple of years ago. Something that was said there left a bitter taste in my mouth. When describing Asatru to a couple of new comers, they were comparing Asatru to other religions. The comment made was that Heathens are more scholarly than Pagans. WHAT?!! WHAT?! It was incredibly difficult to keep my mouth shut.
After some thirteen years as a Pagan and Witch, I know that Pagans do not view Heathens as intellectuals, and that Heathens do not view Pagans as scholars. The irony is ridiculous.
The comment that Pagans are not a scholarly bunch bothered me, and left me feeling insulted, even thought they made a point of telling me that they feel I am different.
Just as every time I hear a Wiccan say “you’re not a real Wiccan” to another person bothers me, or hearing a Druid call a Heathen a “stupid Viking” bothers me.
I wish sometimes I could change human nature, and teach people they do not need to put down others to make themselves feel right or good about what they do, who they are, and which group they belong to.
I wish I could force the Pagan community to some spend time walking in each other’s shoes before passing judgment.
But I know it is a fight I couldn’t win.
So, for now, I shall be what I am, the kind of witch who lives at the edge of the community, because sometimes she cannot stand living within it.
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Heathen? Pagan? I thought they were the same thing… Obviously not… *sigh*
Heathen are usually people who follow a Scandinavian, Germanic, Norse etc path. Asatru and Vanic Witchcraft for example.
Pagans usually follow other European paths, like Celtic ones. eg: Druids and Wiccans.
Great post! I really enjoyed that!
I thought the germanic peoples and scandinavians were pagan too. I thought after the Romans left it was those that bought paganism back to England. It is odd to me. I know the history of my own country is very badly taught. It is favourable to Christianity and the line of Kings and Queens and as such there is much left out that seems far more important to me, as I am only just starting to discover. However all these divisions and labels seem to have much, much more significance on your side of the Atlantic than they seem to here. I find all these labels baffling! In terms of my Christian upbringing a heathen was a pagan non-christian and the two terms are interchangeable…
Consider it a more moderm thing, personally, I have never understood the need for different labels, but some “heathens” will bite your head off for calling them “pagan”! And yes, us in North America do make a silly big deal out of names and labels. We like to categorize things
I totally agree with what you’ve said about not putting our fellows down, but it is important to feel that we belong to a group, and to be proud of that. As you say, we like to catagorise things.
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Humanity is by nature tribal and aggressive, and to deny these instincts is to deny the element of the divine which has made us this way.
The real trick is to find a way to channel these impulses into something positive, i think this might be why we see so many role-players following pagan/wiccan/etc faiths.
i know a lot of people can’t understand the blur between intentionally playing make-belive and using imaginary magic, and being a true believer and follower of witchcraft, but it is a very positive outlet.
In the particular game i enjoy on a regular basis, Tribalism is encouraged in-character and can get quite competetive; but out-of-character, everyone feels a huge bond that only comes from many people working togeather for a specific goal -in this case, having a great story at the end.
[i could write for hours about the virtues of LARP -if you're interested please look at the "Lorien Trust" it's well worth keeping an open mind!!!
BTW: (as i understand it) “Heathen” is a word which was used to refer to the people who lived on the heathland, and had their own traditions -often more hunter-gatherer based than agricultural, some of the trappings of modern wicca are taken from the snippets of their faith which have survived. in england certainly, the heath-folk took a lot longer to be converted to christianity than the city-folk, simply because they were so spread out, and so not worth tracking down to convert.
“Pagan” referrs to any follower of any polytheistic faith (ie one who believes in more than one god, working as aspects of a greater divine source), from ancient norse to modern hindu, and everything either side or in between.
Therefore, most heathens are pagans, but very few pagans are heathens.
Excellent points! I think that the schisms we see are not a result of “tribalism” — whatever that is, if not simply a modern word for Loki and Gullveig’s tendency to fracture human community — but rather of an adolescent culture so enwrapped in identity-politics it has no connection to its own BEING. In short, it’s a symptom of a culture that has a LONG way to go before it becomes TRULY indigenous, truly mature, truly Old Growth. That’s to be expected ; empire has been damaging the world for the past 400 – 3000 years, and you don’t grow out of a bad period instantaneously. The first stage is rampant weeds in rampant competition trying to colonize the scorched earth. But as we mature, we realize that labels and pre-made identities are far less important than substantial commonalities. In that regard, we’re going to find deep affinity with many pagans and many people who are not pagan, and we’re also going to find that many people wearing the same label we have nothing in common with. I’m less interested in a person’s label than I am their ability to act in integrity, and their actual values, which are not what they profess, but how they behave. I’m also interested in their goals, personally, collectively, and globally. I want to know whether they are ethical beings who will abstain from aggressive harm of others, and whose defensive postures are proportional to actual threats of aggression. I want to know what their attitudes towards freedom are. I want to know how trustworthy they are. I’m interested in both their levels of critical thinking as well as their ability to affirm the deeply intuitive even sometimes in the face of contrary evidence. So, in short, I look to substance, not to claimed-identity.
Juniper,
Fabulous post!
I do have a question about your recent Witchvox article in that why did you not discuss any of the currently living Leaders and Elders?
As for the Heathen / Pagan terminology split, I believe that it also relates to the prevalence of Neo-Pagan paths in the Pagan movement at the time when Heathenism was first really beginning to be reborn in parts of the West that helped lead to the use of Heathen. I gather a lot of Heathens felt like… well, we really don’t have much in common with these folks… perhaps we should find a different word than Pagan….
Peace and Curiosity,
Pax